Hi Matt, I appreciate all your videos. I’ve tried my hand at youtube, and the amount of information you’ve put out alone on this topic is pretty outstanding to say the least. I really really appreciate when you just tell us the truth and say you don’t know. But also, I can tell when you speak that your seat of the pants feel for saunas after having tried so many, puts many other people off guard when I mention you. I caught a sauna sales person in a lie just before I was about to buy, when I asked them if their full spectrum heaters were as low emf as the back ones. They said yes they were even lower than the back, and that there aren’t any more electric fields in a sauna than from a cell phone anyway, so it doesn’t really matter.
Then I go on one of your videos, and here you are showing me on the screen exactly what I asked the sales person. I’m very dissappointed they lied to me, and now I see what you’re talkking about when you say “you can research until you’re blue in the face, but unless you’re actually using these things”…
So now all the research I’ve collected over the last 4 months getting ready to purchase one of these dang things, is pretty much useless. I realize now that almost everyone in my sauna detox group has never used the saunas they’re saying are good and the same goes for the ones they say to stay away from. It’s just “regurgitated nonsense” as you say, with even the owner not trying the saunas he’s saying to stay away from.
It all makes sense now, but still I feel like I’m left out in the cold to sift through this bologna.
Is there a quick and easy way to cut through the noise, and find a good low emf sauna, that you know for sure is good, will work without hiring an electrician, and won’t cost most than $4,500 dollars?
That’s all I have to spend, all the rest of my money is going toward medical bills, and I think this will really help me with all of my issues. I see other people getting better all the time, now it’s my turn I’m ready to buy my sauna. Thank you if you find the time to respond, I understand you’re very busy I don’t even see how you put out so many sauna videos as it is. I can say confidently that no one else in this industry has tried as many things as you have, and we can see it all over youtube if we just take the time to search different things. Again, remarkeable that you have personally put this many of these saunas together in your own home, forget everything else. Thanks soooo soooo much for your time! Blessings, Santana
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Hello, good morning everyone.
Today we have an infrared sonar question.
This looks like it’s going to be a really long one, but I think this is probably what everyone is stuck with when it comes to trying to figure out which sonar to buy and sift through an industry that has so much misinformation.
It makes things so confusing.
People just don’t buy anything for months or six months or even years because it’s so ridiculous.
People just give up and say, “Every time I contact a sonar company, one bad mouse to another, the other one throws out crazy claims.
I’m getting ready to do a video comparison in the other room on a bunch of sonars that I have because people keep writing in and saying, ‘So-and-so sonar company is talking about this company that I was going to buy,’ and they say that the emissivity is this way.”
There’s so much misinformation out there, it’s pretty crazy.
Let’s get into the question of the day.
This question is from Santana.
It says, “Hi, Matt.
I appreciate all your videos.
I’ve tried my hand at YouTube and the amount of information that you’ve put out alone on this topic is pretty outstanding to say the least.”
Well, thank you.
“I really, really, really, I don’t know.
I really, really appreciate when you just tell us the truth and say that you don’t know, but also I can tell when you speak that your seat of the pants feel for sonars after having tried so many puts many people, puts many other people off guard when I mention you.”
I don’t know what you mean by that.
“I caught a sonar salesperson in a lie just before I was about to buy when I asked them if their full spectrum heaters were as low EMF as the back ones.
They said, ‘Yes, they were even lower than the back and that there aren’t any more electric fields in an infrared sauna than from a cell phone anyway, so it doesn’t really matter.’”
Well, you already know what I’m going to say about that, but let me finish the question.
“Then I go on one of your videos and here you are showing me on the screen exactly what I asked the salesperson.
I’m very disappointed to see that they lied to me and now I see that what you’re talking about when you say,” and she put this in quotes, “You can research until you’re blue in the face, but unless you’re actually using these things…”
Yeah, I do say that a lot because people kind of expose themselves after a while, right?
Like all the people that send me questions and hate mail and complaints and all this stuff from that Facebook sauna group or that detox group, whatever it is, it’s the same responses in there all the time if you notice.
So it’s just a copy and paste can response.
Like, “Oh, the three fastest ways to evaluate a sauna company is this.”
Anytime somebody says something it’s a copy and paste thing.
And so the only other thing that that group or those responses have going for them, which is where I think this comes from yet again, is that supposedly the sauna group members vet and test the saunas, but you have amateur people who’ve only been in one or two saunas their whole life and they’ve got a single EMF meter and most of them don’t really know how to use them very well.
It’s not their fault.
They’re doing the best that they can, but at the same time, would you base a $5,000 purchase decision off of information or research like that?
I wouldn’t.
But anyway, here we go.
I get on tangent.
So now all the research I’ve…
Santana says, “So now all the research I’ve collected over the last four months, getting ready to purchase one of these dang things is pretty much useless.”
I’m sorry.
I don’t mean to laugh at you, but you don’t understand how common this is.
“I realize we’re all in the same boat.
Pretty much everyone that’s tried to buy a sauna is in your position.”
I think this is probably going to be a really good video.
Thank you so much for sending in this question because this is everyone’s struggle.
Everyone who struggles with infrared saunas, this is it.
This is what’s wrong with this industry.
It’s what’s making it so hard for people to get good stuff.
She goes on to say, “I realize now that almost everyone in my sauna detox group,” I figured that, “has never used the saunas that you’re saying, oh, that they’re saying are good.
And the same goes for the ones they say to stay away from.
It’s just regurgitated nonsense, as you say, with even the owner not trying the saunas he’s saying to stay away from.”
Yeah, that’s been my gripe since day one.
If you’re going to talk shit about other companies, you better be sitting in it when you do.
If not, we could just turn the video off because there’s no reason to talk to you.
Not you, Santana, but the sauna salespeople that are…
What happens is you guys try to buy a sauna.
You call up Sunlight and Clearlight, any of the companies out there, Rocky Mountain, whatever.
You start asking them questions because you don’t want to just hand over three, four, five grand without making sure that’s a good purchase for you.
I know this drill.
I’ve been through this hundreds of times with people.
You start asking them questions and then you say, “Well, I was thinking about buying such and such.
I was thinking about buying one that Matt recommends.
I was thinking about buying a Clearlight or a Radiant Health or a Sunlighten or whatever.”
Here’s what happens.
Now the sauna salesperson for the other company that you’re talking to, “I don’t do this.
If I’m going to talk shit about a company, I’m going to do it on video like this so that you and everyone else can hear the truth because either that company is not doing everything that they can to serve their customers good or they have a piss poor sales process and they hound the absolute fuck out of people to force them to buy.
I can’t endorse a company like that because I would never buy from a company like that.
So sauna companies that have practices like that that would love for me to recommend their saunas, A, if they were low enough EMF, I might consider it and I would just be up front with you and say, “Hey, this sales team for this brand is really aggressive.
Don’t give them their contact information.”
But I mean, even earlier today on YouTube, some guy was complaining to me because Radiant Health saunas, which is the sauna of the year for 2019, rank the best out of everything and it’s the least expensive on the certified sauna list.
It’s like, I would be stupid not to recommend that sauna because it’s the best option for people, right?
But he is complaining because supposedly they don’t have a contact form or an email list sign up or something like that.
I’m thinking to myself, “Dude, you should consider yourself lucky that they don’t have that because once somebody gets you into their autoresponder that you can’t opt out of, they are going to hound the ever living shit out of your ass.
It is going to drive you up the wall until the point you either buy to just get them to leave you alone or you never want to do business with that company ever.”
And that’s how I am.
And so for me, I’m not going to recommend my top three rated saunas for 2019.
If you Google the list of certified saunas, you go to certifiedsaunas.com and you follow all the links to my blog, Clever Leverage, and you look at the sauna reviews and you find the ones that are top rated.
I do not allow companies, I would not risk my reputation and send you to some company that’s going to treat you poorly.
There’s no way in hell.
I would eliminate them from the list immediately.
I don’t care how good their sauna is.
I don’t care about anything.
But anyway, I digress.
Getting off track here.
She was saying that it’s just regurgitated nonsense in the industry and people aren’t really backing up the claims that they’re making.
It’s just an opinion that you heard from somebody else and then somebody else verified it.
And then so now you think that it’s true.
But none of those people in anything have tested these things themselves.
They just heard that a friend of a friend had one and it was bad.
Well, it’s like, “Okay, so let’s just base a five grand purchase off of hearsay.
Who does that?”
So she goes on to say, “It all makes sense now, but I still feel like I’m left out in the cold to sift through this baloney.”
I like your writing.
She says, “Is there a quick and easy way to cut through the noise, find a good low EMF sauna that you know for sure is good and still work without hiring an electrician that won’t cost more than $4,500?
That’s all I have to spend.
All the rest of my money is going toward medical bills and I think this will really help me with all my issues.
I see other people getting better all the time and now it’s my turn.
I’m ready to buy my sauna.”
Thank you if you find the time to respond.
I understand you’re very busy.
I don’t even see how you put out so many sauna videos as it is.
I can say confidently that no one else in this industry has tried as many things as you have from what I can tell on your YouTube channel.
And we can see it all over YouTube if we just take the time to search different things.
Again, remarkable that you have personally put this, many of these saunas together in your own home.
Forget everything else.
Thanks so, so much for your time.
Blessings, Santana.
Well, thank you for the compliment.
I’m not really sure where to start, how to address each part of your thing, but I do appreciate the compliment.
Most people don’t know this, but one of the reasons that I used to get so irritated and angry and shout obscenities and curse and basically what people think is me getting mad, but I’m not really mad.
It’s just such a frustrating experience to have people send you emails that come from other people that are bad mouthing stuff.
And here you are, here I am literally sweating my ass off in Florida summer heat, you know, out in my garage, undoing wooden pallets to undo boxes of saunas, to carry them inside, to film it all, to put them together, to test them, to run them EMF meters through them, film that footage, edit the videos, upload the stuff, use it enough times for as many weeks or months as it takes for me to get a feel for it.
Know if it’s a quality built unit, be able to assess whether or not the company that sells it is going to treat you well, how they treated me is a reflection of how they’re going to treat you and all this stuff.
This is what really goes into my sauna recommendations.
And so it’s very easy for me to get all kinds of irritated when people forward me information from other sauna companies or sauna salespeople bad mouthing.
You know, it doesn’t even matter what brand it is.
It’s just, I can, people reveal themselves over time, right?
They expose themselves.
So people that have not tested things for themselves, you’re never going to see pictures of them in the saunas.
You’re never going to see them making sawdust, you know, a mess in their house because they have so many saunas stacked up, you know, in the hallway and you can barely get an out of the damn thing.
They’re not committed that much.
They’re committed to copy and pasting you, you know, canned responses.
They’re committed to talking shit on their computer, just pulling up the company website and picking apart through images what they think is wrong with a sauna.
They’re not committed enough to actually buy them or try them, make videos for you, test them and personally give you their opinion based on how they feel in their sauna session.
Um, actually I’m going to make another video for you.
It’ll be specifically for you.
It’s the two most powerful things that you can ask any sauna person.
Maybe I’ll put it at the end of this video, but let me just tell you how to solve your problems.
Santana, um, you’re, there’s so many things in your question and it’s so long, the nuts and the bolts of it is right here.
Is there a quick and easy way to cut through the noise?
Find a good low EMF sauna that you know for sure is good.
Will work without hiring an electrician that won’t cost more than $4,500.
Absolutely.
That’s the whole point of certified sauna list.
It’s the whole point of me ranking the saunas and putting them in there.
I would say I’ll address this in three parts.
The way to cut through the noise is to stop paying attention to people that you don’t see sitting in the sauna.
If they haven’t used it, don’t know anything about it, haven’t purchased one and have no access to it.
They shouldn’t, you should not be basing your thousands of dollars of hard earned income on their opinion.
It’s as simple as that.
I don’t know how to make it any more simple.
That’s how you cut through the noise.
If you don’t see the guy sitting in it, if you don’t see videos of him working with it, it’s all bullshit.
How do you find a good low EMF sauna?
Well, you can watch the certified sauna EMF tests.
You can go look at the list of certified saunas and then take each brand and go on YouTube and type in Radiant Health EMF Review, Clear Light Premier EMF Review, High Tech Health EMF Review.
You can see me testing everything with thousands of dollars worth of EMF meters and equipment.
Alternatively, you could source places that have those saunas for rent in your area, like a float tank place or a massage place where you can go and pay.
You can buy EMF meters yourself and then you can go there, rent a session and then test them out.
I’ve done that before for other saunas that I didn’t end up buying because I just had a bad feeling and I didn’t think they were worth it.
So it was easier to do that.
Still kind of a pain in the ass.
I mean, you probably have to drive 40 minutes and then you got to have all the equipment and sneak that in a duffel bag and then, you know, it’s really hard.
One of the things that I was self-conscious about or that made me a little bit uncomfortable was if it’s like really thin walls or something, I planned on sneaking in a camera with a tripod and setting it up and testing it and recording it so that I could show it to you guys.
But a lot of times if it’s like thin walls or thin doors or whatever, people are going to hear some crazy guy in there talking about stuff.
Like can you imagine if you were sitting in the waiting room of a float tank place and you could hear through the door, you know, a guy is supposed to be in a room inside a sauna that’s in a room, but yet, you know, he’s got a tripod in there and he’s talking about all kinds of crazy stuff.
I just thought, you know, I don’t know.
It didn’t work out very well.
I’m going to try it one more time.
There’s a couple of saunas here that people have requested that I’m not going to buy because I know that they suck, but I don’t have recordings of it and they still ask.
So I’m going to end up making them, but it’ll be like the last time I ever go to that place.
You know what I’m saying?
They’re going to be like, “Hey, don’t let him back in here.
He’s a little bit hard,” which might be true anyway, but you know what I’m saying.
Okay.
Which saunas will work without hiring an electrician?
That’s my advice though.
I mean, you can either…
A lot of people…
I think what you’re trying to say is, should you believe third-party EMF reports?
My answer would be no.
You cannot take a piece of the sauna out or you can’t take a part of the sauna or a heater out of a sauna, send it to a lab, have it tested for EMFs, and then just call it good.
You’re missing 60% of the EMF exposure by doing that.
So that’s the bait and switch by a lot of sauna companies.
You want to see what it is on live video.
You want to see magnetic fields, electric fields, RF radiation, and body voltage.
You can watch my certified sauna EMF tests and it’ll teach you how to do that.
Saunas that’ll work without hiring an electrician.
Any sauna that’s a 15 amp sauna will work in pretty much any household without putting in a 20 amp dedicated circuit or anything larger like a 30 or 40 amp.
Most two-person saunas and smaller will work on a 15 amp circuit.
Just make sure and check before you actually purchase it.
That’s what you’re looking for.
Basically, one or a two-person sauna, 15 amps or smaller, you won’t have to hire an electrician, you’ll be all set.
Won’t cost more than $4,500.
Well, all three, or actually two out of the three saunas on the certified sauna list, you can get a one-person, a two-person, maybe even a three-person for under $4,500.
But a three-person would not meet your electrical requirements.
You would have to hire an electrician for that because the power supply is going to be bigger and you would have to put in a dedicated 20 amp line or larger in order to power a three or a four-person sauna.
But cost-wise, there’s probably a three-person sauna out there that will fit the bill for anybody else that’s watching this or comes across this.
So, yeah, I mean, that’s how I would cut through the noise.
Pay attention to people that are actually experienced with the stuff that you want to buy.
I mean, that’s the easiest way.
And now I’m going to leave you with…
I’m going to make a separate video for this, but I just want to leave this with you.
I’m not going to make it long or anything.
When you’re talking to somebody, like if you did this to me, this is how you would really test this.
If you did this to me, you would be shocked by the answer because I would have to pause and think about all the different saunas that I could tell you my experience of.
When you’re talking to a sauna salesperson or a sauna rep or a sauna company or anyone that you’re trying to make a base, a purchase decision off of, or try to find the right sauna for you, it’s so simple.
All you have to do, listen to their pitch or whatever and ask them your questions and then just pause and say, “You know, I really like what you’ve had to say so far.
Thank you for all this information.
I think I’m about ready to make my decision on which model to get.”
Before I do, I just wanted to ask you, how did you feel when you were in this brand of sauna, whatever it is that they’re trying to sell you, compared to XX brand, whichever one you were asking about or you were comparing or thinking of trying?
Then just be quiet and see what they say.
Just listen.
Don’t interrupt them.
One or two things is going to happen.
They’ll either give you a straight answer, you’re going to learn a lot and you’ll be able to figure out how you can, you’ll figure out what to base your purchase decision on based on what they say, or you’ll get a line of bullshit so long that they’ll never actually get around to answering the question.
You have to shut up and let them speak because people are pretty good at derailing stuff.
You’ve got to sit there, you’ve got to pause, you’ve got to say, “How did you feel when you went in this sauna?”
If they tell you that a, let’s say you call Sunlighten and they say Therasauna is terrible, two saunas that I don’t recommend at all, but this goes for any brands.
This is how they do this shit.
Let’s just say Sunlighten says that Therasauna has terrible emissivity and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and all this stuff.
Let them finish and then say, “Oh, okay.
Well, just so I know I’m making the right choice, how did you feel when the hot spots in the Therasauna started getting too hot on your back and you had to spin around to get some heat on the front?
Or how did you feel when it took twice as long for the Therasauna to heat up compared to the Sunlighten?
And which Sunlighten is it that you have in your house, by the way?
Is it the Impulse or the Sanctuary?
And which one did you use at the gym that you said that the Sunlighten performed way better and made you sweat faster and all this stuff?”
And then just shut up.
Just listen to what they say.
They will either be able to say, “Yes, I used this Sunlighten model at this place.
This is what I did and didn’t like about the Therasauna.”
A good sauna salesperson that really knows what they’re talking about should be able to tell you this stuff for at least five saunas.
If you asked me this question, I would tell you Sunlighten Impulse is great.
Downfalls, most of the time the big ones take 220 to be powered, so you have to hire an electrician.
They have higher EMF levels, much higher than I’d like to be.
Sunlighten has a typical culture, does not mitigate electric fields, which is not in line with the certified saunas, so I don’t want a sauna with high body voltage.
However, the Sunlighten Impulse build quality is exceptional.
Best wood construction or cabinet construction in the industry, very nice, very expensive.
So, it depends on what you’re looking for.
And then I would go on to say that a Therasauna, for example, feels a lot like the other ceramic saunas.
They’ve got hot spots because the heaters are spaced out a little bit.
They get really intense.
I kind of like that compared to a carbon sauna that’s more spread out.
However, after using a bunch of them for many months or years or whatever, I’ve grown to like the carbon more because I’ve found that that is more comfortable to sit in one spot and not have to move around to adjust where those tight beams of infrared from the ceramic heaters are beaming out.
Because it gets too intense on the back, then you’re going to have to move around.
And if the ceramic sauna you’re in doesn’t have frontal infrared, the whole front of the sauna is going to be cold.
You see the difference?
Do you see the difference in that compared to if I was just like sort of ignored your question and then harped on about the benefits and just kept talking and talking and talking and didn’t shut up and say, “Would you like me to give you my opinion on another brand?”
Because Sunlighten and Therasauna are not the only ones that I’ve tried.
“Would you like me to tell you how that compares to a Clearlight or a Radiant Health or a Hitech Health?
Or would you like my opinions on a Sauna Ray or a Rocky Mountain sauna or a Heavenly Heat or an Almost Heaven Barrel Steam sauna from Costco or a Radiant Health knockoff sauna made by Blue Wave on Amazon that everyone thinks is the Radiant Health scam, but it’s not.
It’s an impersonating company that is skewing things.
Or would you like my opinion on, I don’t know, what I think of Costco saunas like the Dynamic Saunas, the Golden Design Saunas, the Maxxis Saunas that you see at Home Depot or Lowe’s or whatever?
That is a better…
I shouldn’t have to say anything.
That should tell you everything that you need to know right there.
If you aren’t speaking to somebody that can help you make an educated decision and isn’t trying to shove things down your throat in a biased way, you are obviously not dealing with someone that has enough of experience to tell you what you really want to know.